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John Carter's avatar

There was an interesting interview with Desmet recently on Brett Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast. They disagreed on the reductionist/materialist aspect, but in a productive way. Worth listening to.

One of the things they touched on was precisely the formation of an 'anti-group', and the danger of mass formation happening there, also. The key to avoiding that trap, according to Desmet, is to ensure strong interpersonal bonds in order to provide stability against the personal-group bonds. Horizontal connectivity preventing the purely vertical connectivity that characterizes a ponerpgenic mass, in other words. It seems to me that this contains much of the answer to the key question - how to effectively combat this situation. Simply speaking out calmly and rationally is surely important, but much more important I think is participating in and providing fora for the development of organic societal bonds, since it is the latter that will actually solve the underlying issue that led to mass formation in the first place.

Another thing he touched on, which is very similar to Gurdjieff's concept of conscious suffering, was that by enduring these difficulties and holding to our principles, our souls and even our bodies actually become stronger. Statements like that, along with other remarks eg the assault on crude materialism, make me suspect that Desmet understands far more than he states directly in public.

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Wow....I need to go for a coffee and try to digest this. That was quite the summary.

Excellent work here, Harrison! Blew my mind in places.

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