Some of the best professionals to survey would be lawyers with experience suing these psychos on behalf of victims, particularly in white collar crime cases. They'd have a lot of interesting war stories about the legal tactics employed against their clients, as well as first hand experience with the challenges of depositions and trial testimony.
I have a very simplistic theory that doesn't seem to be well covered in any analysis of the behaviours of the predator class that I have read.
It is not an empirical or scientific theory because the information cannot be collected or classified, and it may just be a gut feeling.-
Potentially, the wealthy predator class is no different to poorer psychopaths in that they are unburdening their own trauma of a loveless ( or worse- raped, tortured then rewarded) upringing ( or conditional " love") onto the people under their control ( and their own children, knowingly (e.g. occult sacrifice for power)or unknowingly, as a poor attempt at healing ( which could actually be just a transference of pain and trauma to others). Which creates a perpetual expanding spiral that has eventually resulted in including everyone?
Could it be partially due to them envying the simple love experienced by the ignorant peasants, that they are in desperate need of, and because of the circumstances of their birth and unwillingness or inability to seek help, they can only feel anything by torturing the people that have loved, can experience love and can feel ?
" Hurt people hurt people"
I probably don't need to add that the ubiquitous poisoning of the air, water and soil of the population has effected their own offspring, possibly damaging their own children's ability to accept and wield the family shield and baton. ( I am not sure that autism and spectrum disorders help when attempting to heal from trauma and my understanding is that these disorders cause varying degrees of lack of empathy.
Hence the urgency of the transhuman agenda and " eternal life" uploaded consciousness goals.
That's a very charitable way of looking at it. Personally, I think it is only true in some cases. There are plenty of psychopaths who had loving childhoods and made their parents miserable in the process.
Here's the way I see it: tortured children who are psychopaths grow up to be nasty criminals. Tortured children who aren't grow up with PTSD and sometimes also become criminals, but of a different sort. A rough way of looking at it, but two ends of a spectrum of responses. Pretty sure many serial killers had objectively bad childhoods. But many with objectively bad childhoods just grow up neurotic and self-destructive.
While this is a perfectly understandable idea, if Hubbard's work is at all accurate, then the roots of psychopathy go back much further than childhood this life. The trauma that creates a dedicated psychopath is inconceivable to Earth humans. If you are not ready to accept the possibility that people do have past lives, then this work of course sounds outrageous.
Very useful approach and I like the more qualitative input.
Looking at the 13 DP characteristics listed above, I couldn't help to think of how that too could bring insight if one looks at nations. Those nations for whom all of those 13 DP characteristics apply might have a greater number of pathological deviants within their countries than other countries, which then is reflected in their leaderships. In other words less healthy individuals to stand in the way. It could even have a magnetic effect drawing more psychopaths to such a country as they would feel right at home and thus further the speed towards a full blown pathocracy and ultimately leading to its self-destructive downfall as mentioned by Lobascewski.
The "Brian Cox vs. Anthony Hopkins as Dr. Hannibal Lector" discussions had some points of interest. Many people came to essentially the same conclusions:
"Which Lecter would be able to operate unnoticed in society?"
"Brian Cox's version of Lecter is more dangerous then Anthony Hopkins version of the infamous Doctor"
"The biggest difference between Cox and Hopkins in this role: Hopkins seethed. He was so evil. Cox? He seemed friendly. He asks for your phone number and, why not give it to him"?
The Bible has numerous references and ample warnings about Psychopaths. Obviously it uses different terminology, but the clear inference oft repeated is the corruption of the MIND - they are ‘past feeling’, have a ‘conscience seared with a hot iron’, ‘their mind and conscience is defiled’, ‘men of corrupt mind’, ‘given over to a reprobate mind to do things not convienant’.
Whilst modern psychiatry is beginning to identify the attributes of psychopathy, it will never isolate the genesis, nor the treatment;
The genesis is spiritual -
Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
The prognosis is terminal - Romans 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Excellent documentary comparing the Biblical teaching to modern secular scientific research
Her research approach was interesting to read about and quite involved.
In short, you have to find sane people if you want to isolate who is insane.
If you ask one insane person who is insane, they will just accuse a sane person, or perhaps randomly some other insane person. This has always been a major challenge, even for groups that are quite aware of the dangers of psychopathy. Psychopaths are SO GOOD at hiding in plain sight. And a perfect position for a psychopath is one that sits in judgement of the sanity of others.
We also have the problem of separating psychopaths from sociopaths, or people who learn to act like psychopaths. The only way I know to do that is to offer them help. If they want out and they feel safe enough to admit it to you, the people who are imitating psychopathy as some sort of self-defense mechanism will tell you. A true psychopath won't.
Many "criminals" in prison can be rehabilitated, even ones who have committed terrible crimes. It all depends on how deep the insanity goes.
"Since a comprehension of the truly operational factors is beyond the ken of his natural world view, he generally relies on emotion: intuition and the pursuit of happiness."
I like Mitchel'ss novative stance, simply the fact that she seems to clean the table and find a new way. What she comes up with seems bound to several "common unanswered questions", such as
- "defining what lurks at the very end of the spectrum", and we see some push for labelling, and she comes up with some considerations going by "pure malevolence"
- the clinical approach; I am scratching my head on that one, as it seems to be a brake, somehow, without being able to say why. I simply feel that the creative push stops a bit there, and would even speak of a possible "closed avenue" - but it should not be of course.
Those seem to be a recurring phenomenon.
I see Lobaczewski who came by 50 years ago with every single bit of his findings making much sense and providing quantum leaps at every consideration, while even Hare seems to be stucked in a swamp with the clinical approach. A whole boring and scientifical framework seems inapplicable, or at least slowing things down (I have 1000% of respect for Robert HARE). It's the ground 3D approach, it lacks gong-fu somehow, somewhere, and Lobaczewski seemed to have a very precise compass, he "knew where to look at". How odd. But I feel that the clinical approach can be successful. It seems that there may be a missing consideration. We can barely see how those guys have been narrowing down many parameters: they see something and they are trying to put words on it - and they yet cannot come up with something satisfactory. "Something" seems "puzzling" to them and they cannot yet stick their finger on what it is :) :( Hope they will bypass this, and I sincerely believe that this is possible.
Time goes by. I am personally more inclined to be extra intellectual and contemplate the two above points (what I have at hand, thinking with a hammer, trying to truly think about it), and then remain intellectual and say "where does this lead me to?", "what can I extrapolate from this?" and "how should I think?". This is to find an possible positive road, if there is any. Of course this only takes in consideration two subjective cherry picked considerations. But I see two obstacles at the level of very professional people, so I am telling myself "I see this, can I do something with it?".
I would be tempted to say that what may represent a brake for clinicians is something supernatural. Psychopaths seem to represent something a bit "demonic" - well the best word I could use is that "they are invisible" for remaining practical and not "go Galileo"; and that clinicians know that this invisibility cannot be an absolute, and that this may be what they are stucked at. This invisibility feature seems factual, at several levels. Again, I would be tempted to say "hum this deserve a whole PHD job, what lurks around this invisible feature?"
:)
I am sorry, I am a bit too intellectual and amateurish. I understand I am throwing down ideas like seeds in the wind. Sorry about that. I am firmly on the 100th monkey concept and try to keep the "study of psychopathology" hot in myself.
Wouldn't you be interested in doing clinical work?
I have that odd feeling, as stated above, that one would perform 10'000 sample studies that things wouldn't progress, may I ask your take on this feeling, please?
Thank you for your precise articles. Such knowledge definitely exists nowhere else. This is absolutely crazy. I am very grateful for being, today, able to read such writings.
Yes, I was studying a French psy's sayings; he explains that overall, people are getting very badly triggered by "fear of precariousness". Seemed some visceral fear - an understandable one - and that it was some "core" trauma lurking around. Fear of loosing the job, fear of loosing money, fear of becoming a nobody, (...)
Then, Lobaczewski says that what mostly motivates people is "the pursuit of happiness", and that it's mostly intuition which directs their pursuit of happiness. It's of course a noble goal, and after having read Lobaczewski I understood how this is "the default mode".
I find that there is some link between a person "seeking hapiness & relying on intuition for this" (well.. we may see here a complete sheep-like mode - and no pun intended) AND some artificial fear of precariousness. This looks like some easy loop to do to people for putting them down.
Overall, with the psy quotes and Lobaczewski, I am spectating a sheep (we may say "blind"/not fit for our reality) state, firstly first (and I am asking myself if this is, after all, the true nature of humans, that the default mode is as stated above)
Then, I sometimes see a cruel society sending triggers of "you-will-loose-your-job-if-you-dont-comply" - well, fear of precariousness everywhere
Was thinking that the human pool appears very innocent into such light. That humans are very discernable, somehow. That "where there is intuition+pursuit of happiness" expressing itself, this may be indicative of "very human pool".
That where we'd have "low intuition+pursuit of happiness", this may be indicative of less human pool - but sure, good luck studying such thing. I feel this present sentence is wrongly shaped, and that we may perhaps determine a better detector than "low intuition+pursuit of happiness may be indicative of less human pool"
Of course what came to my mind was how pools intending to negatively affect "pursuit of happiness" (or the exact combo of "intuition+pursuit of happiness"?) *may* be indicative of psychopaths.
Well, as you can see my reasoning is a bit under-developped :) It's clumsy and I don't find the right words. Hmm I believe I am trying to think out of the box and figure out a basic ground, with the data we have - a creative idea.
Idea would be: why not think "what's the opposite?". This is a common process, as far as I know, so I know it surely applies, some reverse engineering concept. Then, that it applies to the Lobaczewski's quote, I don't know. This was still the first thing that came to mind
edit:
I wish to enjoy expressing my utter disgust towards mecanisms taking the upper hand over the common world view. Humans may be stupid somehow, in the light of Lobczewski's quote, but they have big hearts, and the present conjecture does not make it easy to bypass that common world view of "pursuit of happiness"
I am sometimes asking myself if this quest for butterflies is a genuine one or if our DNA have been tampered with. Still, I recognize the hearth beats with that quote. Somehow, the naivety and light-headedness is our force as well. But it does not prevent psychopaths. I can only mourn this.
How can people imagine that these filmmakers made this stuff up? With actors pretending to be autistic? With actors pretending to have been critically injured by the Covid 19 vax?
Some of the best professionals to survey would be lawyers with experience suing these psychos on behalf of victims, particularly in white collar crime cases. They'd have a lot of interesting war stories about the legal tactics employed against their clients, as well as first hand experience with the challenges of depositions and trial testimony.
As always, the content is very informative. Thank you for summarizing so clearly.
excellent information!
i am glad i came across you and it.
it overlaps / coheres well with the information i gleaned from a 10 day narcissism masterclass.
all the best with what is changing. everything changes.
I have a very simplistic theory that doesn't seem to be well covered in any analysis of the behaviours of the predator class that I have read.
It is not an empirical or scientific theory because the information cannot be collected or classified, and it may just be a gut feeling.-
Potentially, the wealthy predator class is no different to poorer psychopaths in that they are unburdening their own trauma of a loveless ( or worse- raped, tortured then rewarded) upringing ( or conditional " love") onto the people under their control ( and their own children, knowingly (e.g. occult sacrifice for power)or unknowingly, as a poor attempt at healing ( which could actually be just a transference of pain and trauma to others). Which creates a perpetual expanding spiral that has eventually resulted in including everyone?
Could it be partially due to them envying the simple love experienced by the ignorant peasants, that they are in desperate need of, and because of the circumstances of their birth and unwillingness or inability to seek help, they can only feel anything by torturing the people that have loved, can experience love and can feel ?
" Hurt people hurt people"
I probably don't need to add that the ubiquitous poisoning of the air, water and soil of the population has effected their own offspring, possibly damaging their own children's ability to accept and wield the family shield and baton. ( I am not sure that autism and spectrum disorders help when attempting to heal from trauma and my understanding is that these disorders cause varying degrees of lack of empathy.
Hence the urgency of the transhuman agenda and " eternal life" uploaded consciousness goals.
That's a very charitable way of looking at it. Personally, I think it is only true in some cases. There are plenty of psychopaths who had loving childhoods and made their parents miserable in the process.
Here's the way I see it: tortured children who are psychopaths grow up to be nasty criminals. Tortured children who aren't grow up with PTSD and sometimes also become criminals, but of a different sort. A rough way of looking at it, but two ends of a spectrum of responses. Pretty sure many serial killers had objectively bad childhoods. But many with objectively bad childhoods just grow up neurotic and self-destructive.
While this is a perfectly understandable idea, if Hubbard's work is at all accurate, then the roots of psychopathy go back much further than childhood this life. The trauma that creates a dedicated psychopath is inconceivable to Earth humans. If you are not ready to accept the possibility that people do have past lives, then this work of course sounds outrageous.
Very useful approach and I like the more qualitative input.
Looking at the 13 DP characteristics listed above, I couldn't help to think of how that too could bring insight if one looks at nations. Those nations for whom all of those 13 DP characteristics apply might have a greater number of pathological deviants within their countries than other countries, which then is reflected in their leaderships. In other words less healthy individuals to stand in the way. It could even have a magnetic effect drawing more psychopaths to such a country as they would feel right at home and thus further the speed towards a full blown pathocracy and ultimately leading to its self-destructive downfall as mentioned by Lobascewski.
The "Brian Cox vs. Anthony Hopkins as Dr. Hannibal Lector" discussions had some points of interest. Many people came to essentially the same conclusions:
"Which Lecter would be able to operate unnoticed in society?"
"Brian Cox's version of Lecter is more dangerous then Anthony Hopkins version of the infamous Doctor"
"The biggest difference between Cox and Hopkins in this role: Hopkins seethed. He was so evil. Cox? He seemed friendly. He asks for your phone number and, why not give it to him"?
The Bible has numerous references and ample warnings about Psychopaths. Obviously it uses different terminology, but the clear inference oft repeated is the corruption of the MIND - they are ‘past feeling’, have a ‘conscience seared with a hot iron’, ‘their mind and conscience is defiled’, ‘men of corrupt mind’, ‘given over to a reprobate mind to do things not convienant’.
Whilst modern psychiatry is beginning to identify the attributes of psychopathy, it will never isolate the genesis, nor the treatment;
The genesis is spiritual -
Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
The prognosis is terminal - Romans 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Excellent documentary comparing the Biblical teaching to modern secular scientific research
https://bannedbutnotbound.com/psychopath-reprobates/
Just did a "cross-link" here.
https://drtesslawrie.substack.com/p/how-to-spot-a-psychopath-and-other/comments
Convinced me to renew my subscription for awhile.
BK
just some ideas for where to look at:
-people consistently chosing the preservation of image over the care of souls (over-preservation of image=hint)
-where there is neglect and cover-up by authority
-When some complaints received “I’ll take care of it”
-(whatever kind of) reporting not fuped
-under-involved (uninvolvement) in monitoring the harm > auditing corporations
-Frequent or habitual abuse of alcohol or drugs (buy alcohol with ID)
-have neglected the vigilance that [lambda working position/practice] demands
-In many cases the red flags and danger signs are obvious and all
over the place once a colleague opens his eyes to what is in plain sight.
-It is not nosey, out of line, or intrusive to care about the bonds that unites whatever positive structure, so assessing healthy bonds
Her research approach was interesting to read about and quite involved.
In short, you have to find sane people if you want to isolate who is insane.
If you ask one insane person who is insane, they will just accuse a sane person, or perhaps randomly some other insane person. This has always been a major challenge, even for groups that are quite aware of the dangers of psychopathy. Psychopaths are SO GOOD at hiding in plain sight. And a perfect position for a psychopath is one that sits in judgement of the sanity of others.
We also have the problem of separating psychopaths from sociopaths, or people who learn to act like psychopaths. The only way I know to do that is to offer them help. If they want out and they feel safe enough to admit it to you, the people who are imitating psychopathy as some sort of self-defense mechanism will tell you. A true psychopath won't.
Many "criminals" in prison can be rehabilitated, even ones who have committed terrible crimes. It all depends on how deep the insanity goes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvkE7zlJgCg
If the natural world view features:
"Since a comprehension of the truly operational factors is beyond the ken of his natural world view, he generally relies on emotion: intuition and the pursuit of happiness."
Then there will be humans where the above is.
We may check strategies attacking the above.
Could you expand on this? I'm not grasping it yet.
formulated: "if we can't get indicators of where they are we could find indicators of where they aren't"
pfffou sorry for the long rant above!
Thanks, I get it now! Good insight.
I like Mitchel'ss novative stance, simply the fact that she seems to clean the table and find a new way. What she comes up with seems bound to several "common unanswered questions", such as
- "defining what lurks at the very end of the spectrum", and we see some push for labelling, and she comes up with some considerations going by "pure malevolence"
- the clinical approach; I am scratching my head on that one, as it seems to be a brake, somehow, without being able to say why. I simply feel that the creative push stops a bit there, and would even speak of a possible "closed avenue" - but it should not be of course.
Those seem to be a recurring phenomenon.
I see Lobaczewski who came by 50 years ago with every single bit of his findings making much sense and providing quantum leaps at every consideration, while even Hare seems to be stucked in a swamp with the clinical approach. A whole boring and scientifical framework seems inapplicable, or at least slowing things down (I have 1000% of respect for Robert HARE). It's the ground 3D approach, it lacks gong-fu somehow, somewhere, and Lobaczewski seemed to have a very precise compass, he "knew where to look at". How odd. But I feel that the clinical approach can be successful. It seems that there may be a missing consideration. We can barely see how those guys have been narrowing down many parameters: they see something and they are trying to put words on it - and they yet cannot come up with something satisfactory. "Something" seems "puzzling" to them and they cannot yet stick their finger on what it is :) :( Hope they will bypass this, and I sincerely believe that this is possible.
Time goes by. I am personally more inclined to be extra intellectual and contemplate the two above points (what I have at hand, thinking with a hammer, trying to truly think about it), and then remain intellectual and say "where does this lead me to?", "what can I extrapolate from this?" and "how should I think?". This is to find an possible positive road, if there is any. Of course this only takes in consideration two subjective cherry picked considerations. But I see two obstacles at the level of very professional people, so I am telling myself "I see this, can I do something with it?".
I would be tempted to say that what may represent a brake for clinicians is something supernatural. Psychopaths seem to represent something a bit "demonic" - well the best word I could use is that "they are invisible" for remaining practical and not "go Galileo"; and that clinicians know that this invisibility cannot be an absolute, and that this may be what they are stucked at. This invisibility feature seems factual, at several levels. Again, I would be tempted to say "hum this deserve a whole PHD job, what lurks around this invisible feature?"
:)
I am sorry, I am a bit too intellectual and amateurish. I understand I am throwing down ideas like seeds in the wind. Sorry about that. I am firmly on the 100th monkey concept and try to keep the "study of psychopathology" hot in myself.
Wouldn't you be interested in doing clinical work?
I have that odd feeling, as stated above, that one would perform 10'000 sample studies that things wouldn't progress, may I ask your take on this feeling, please?
Thank you for your precise articles. Such knowledge definitely exists nowhere else. This is absolutely crazy. I am very grateful for being, today, able to read such writings.
Yes, I was studying a French psy's sayings; he explains that overall, people are getting very badly triggered by "fear of precariousness". Seemed some visceral fear - an understandable one - and that it was some "core" trauma lurking around. Fear of loosing the job, fear of loosing money, fear of becoming a nobody, (...)
Then, Lobaczewski says that what mostly motivates people is "the pursuit of happiness", and that it's mostly intuition which directs their pursuit of happiness. It's of course a noble goal, and after having read Lobaczewski I understood how this is "the default mode".
I find that there is some link between a person "seeking hapiness & relying on intuition for this" (well.. we may see here a complete sheep-like mode - and no pun intended) AND some artificial fear of precariousness. This looks like some easy loop to do to people for putting them down.
Overall, with the psy quotes and Lobaczewski, I am spectating a sheep (we may say "blind"/not fit for our reality) state, firstly first (and I am asking myself if this is, after all, the true nature of humans, that the default mode is as stated above)
Then, I sometimes see a cruel society sending triggers of "you-will-loose-your-job-if-you-dont-comply" - well, fear of precariousness everywhere
Was thinking that the human pool appears very innocent into such light. That humans are very discernable, somehow. That "where there is intuition+pursuit of happiness" expressing itself, this may be indicative of "very human pool".
That where we'd have "low intuition+pursuit of happiness", this may be indicative of less human pool - but sure, good luck studying such thing. I feel this present sentence is wrongly shaped, and that we may perhaps determine a better detector than "low intuition+pursuit of happiness may be indicative of less human pool"
Of course what came to my mind was how pools intending to negatively affect "pursuit of happiness" (or the exact combo of "intuition+pursuit of happiness"?) *may* be indicative of psychopaths.
Well, as you can see my reasoning is a bit under-developped :) It's clumsy and I don't find the right words. Hmm I believe I am trying to think out of the box and figure out a basic ground, with the data we have - a creative idea.
Idea would be: why not think "what's the opposite?". This is a common process, as far as I know, so I know it surely applies, some reverse engineering concept. Then, that it applies to the Lobaczewski's quote, I don't know. This was still the first thing that came to mind
edit:
I wish to enjoy expressing my utter disgust towards mecanisms taking the upper hand over the common world view. Humans may be stupid somehow, in the light of Lobczewski's quote, but they have big hearts, and the present conjecture does not make it easy to bypass that common world view of "pursuit of happiness"
I am sometimes asking myself if this quest for butterflies is a genuine one or if our DNA have been tampered with. Still, I recognize the hearth beats with that quote. Somehow, the naivety and light-headedness is our force as well. But it does not prevent psychopaths. I can only mourn this.
Who are the predators here?:
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt5562652/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
https://m.imdb.com/video/vi628080409/
https://vaxxed3.childrenshealthdefense.org/
To finding a screening of VAXXED III:
https://vaxxed3.childrenshealthdefense.org/find-a-screening/
How can people imagine that these filmmakers made this stuff up? With actors pretending to be autistic? With actors pretending to have been critically injured by the Covid 19 vax?