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Larry Cox's avatar

This is an interesting subject to me, but this approach is a bit overwrought with technical jargon for my taste. I had never heard of "cliodynamics" before, and after reading about it in Wikipedia, I agree with this note in the article: "Isaac Asimov invented the fictional precursor to this discipline, in what he called psychohistory, as a major plot device in his Foundation series of science fiction novels."

I am however somewhat familiar with the mathematics and behavior of oscillating systems, and so wasn't totally thrown. I have also studied a bit of what Hubbard calls "Game Theory." Unfortunately this term was already in use by John von Neumann. Hubbard may not have been aware of this. I am sure, however, that regardless of which researcher is consulted, games have something to do with social history.

It is frustrating, though, to see so many brilliant minds falter when it comes to identifying the key problematic players and how they should be handled. These historical cycles, or oscillations, may be more or less inevitable (though I see a way out through the possibility of establishing an educational system that focuses on helping people become better at what they are already doing rather than covetous of another man's - or woman's - social or economic advantage). But the societal lows will continue to be perilous until we get a grip on the psychopathic personality and what to do about it.

There is a popular approach to the problem of evil (chronic criminality) arguing that it is created by harsh social conditions. Were this only true! When will it become clear that the perfect welfare state will never solve the problem? We must learn to confront and handle our psychopaths.

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Daniel D's avatar

This was a really insightful analysis! Makes me realize how much I need to read Turchin! Certainly what he says about elite overproduction is spot on and spells trouble for our culture if we can't get off this crazy negative feedback loop culturally and economically, which sadly the regime seems stubbornly in denial about.

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