Thought provoking - glad to see McGilchrist in there. ps has Schellenberger acknowledged your existence yet? I have tried to raise awareness through his collegues but no joy...
Wow - this statement I believe is the definition of a psychopath:
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"Any thing I can take from others is rightly mine because they were too weak or not as smart as I am."
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Now stepping back and appreciating nature on planet earth is it not evident the statement above is a recipe for extinction?
BK
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Thanks Harrison for your efforts, but truly if the circle of philosophers is kept too small, the word will never get out there and truly anybody could be a philosopher if they weren't so busy just trying to get by day-by-day. I appreciate Ponerology if one could make a statement as such given how "dark" the topic is - it needs to be discussed in a wider audience, so that informs the cross-linking indicated above. Cause if you live in a silo or don't get out into the fields, then sometimes that clouds the view.
This reminds me of Plato's when philosophers are kings quote.
What is the purpose of human beings? Of humanity? If we take the developmental lifecycle as a clue, man/woman is born, they develop centers of activity like movement, emotion, words, they learn through experience, centers like intellectual, emotional develop at different stages, the sex center enters at puberty creating some angst, the people get siloed into careers that end and they retire into obscurity.
What we see is the emergence of different functionality in the human being. What functionality can be further developed? If you take Gurdjieff's Fourth Way seriously, there are 2 functional centers in man called the higher emotional center and the higher intellectual center. The first is awakening to your self. The second is awakening to the world's laws, like the law of octaves.
From this point of view, then evolution is developing latent functionality in the human being. Then the focus is what prevents or blocks that evolution and what encourages the new functionality. Does technology improve your ability? If it prevents your inner development, yes.
While we were working and living with honor, to advance the lives of our families, they were scheming to achieve total control. I wonder if there are any who seek power that fall into the non psycho category.
A test would be useful, but the first question, 'Do you seek power over others?' Would disqualify nearly all of the vermin.
The power of these people should be curtailed, but how?
I hesitate to address them each individually. So many of these assumptions come from the realm of materialistic science. They are based on some VERY basic assumptions about life that could very well be incorrect. If they are incorrect, a complete re-think would be needed. And that's where I stand in this discussion: A complete re-think IS needed.
That said, there are a certain number of workable principles that can be derived from experience without revising our basic assumptions. I have to respect that fact.
It's a little like trying to apply quantum mechanics to something like mechanical engineering. It just isn't really necessary. Yet if you try to apply the gross principles of mechanisms to the world of quantum phenomena, your predictions will be incorrect.
The human psyche resides in the realm of the "quantum world." Not quite literally, but almost. If your try to understand all of life from the point of view of physical systems, you will ultimately fail because life at its highest level in NOT a physical system, it is a causative, creative system.
We have an analogy in modern life, which is engineering. Engineers invent things that - for all intents and purposes - are totally new. Yet they must account for the material environments that their creations exist in. They must respect the "rules of the road" regardless of how innovative their designs are. But who are these engineers, in the context of this analogy? They exist, for all intents and purposes, outside of the systems they design. Their bodies don't but THEY DO. And this is the secret, you could say, to their creative ability.
The designers of living systems existed totally outside of the systems they created. Though many if not all of them today have lost track of the fact that they invented the systems they are now trapped in, the fact that they were the original inventors does give us the hope that the design process may be remembered enough to enable them to free themselves from their invention, should they choose to do so.
Within the context of a living system that has little or no awareness that it was created (and could be un-created, or re-created) then yes, you have what amounts to a slow death spiral. But if the creators of these systems can restore their creative superiority, then the future becomes an open book, perhaps even hopeful.
Harrison- I think a phenomenon of corroboration is occurring. In thought leadership and in journalism, you need independent corroboration on a societal claim to start with three of your peer class. I have known since 2018 a socialist revolutionary tactic is to weaponize the mentally ill; who incidentally also make up a significant portion of US prison populations. We may need to ‘democratize’ and lower the cost of access to Outpatient Therapy Centers to concentrate treatment for Cluster-B disorders with: EFT, EMDR, DBT, vagus nerve stimulation therapies and Stellate Ganglion block to make our society far less evil. We could offer this to prisons as rehabilitation. Beyond, this to recognize reality from irreality demands that we stop validating “the struggle” as real. Sounds cool. Isn’t real.
Thought provoking - glad to see McGilchrist in there. ps has Schellenberger acknowledged your existence yet? I have tried to raise awareness through his collegues but no joy...
For the sake of fair disclosure, I would like to acknowledge that I have linked to this site from here:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/what-i-learned-in-the-past-week/comment/41576128#comment-41611477?utm_source=activity_item
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Edit - let me add this as typed there:
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Wow - this statement I believe is the definition of a psychopath:
~
"Any thing I can take from others is rightly mine because they were too weak or not as smart as I am."
~
Now stepping back and appreciating nature on planet earth is it not evident the statement above is a recipe for extinction?
BK
**
Thanks Harrison for your efforts, but truly if the circle of philosophers is kept too small, the word will never get out there and truly anybody could be a philosopher if they weren't so busy just trying to get by day-by-day. I appreciate Ponerology if one could make a statement as such given how "dark" the topic is - it needs to be discussed in a wider audience, so that informs the cross-linking indicated above. Cause if you live in a silo or don't get out into the fields, then sometimes that clouds the view.
This reminds me of Plato's when philosophers are kings quote.
What is the purpose of human beings? Of humanity? If we take the developmental lifecycle as a clue, man/woman is born, they develop centers of activity like movement, emotion, words, they learn through experience, centers like intellectual, emotional develop at different stages, the sex center enters at puberty creating some angst, the people get siloed into careers that end and they retire into obscurity.
What we see is the emergence of different functionality in the human being. What functionality can be further developed? If you take Gurdjieff's Fourth Way seriously, there are 2 functional centers in man called the higher emotional center and the higher intellectual center. The first is awakening to your self. The second is awakening to the world's laws, like the law of octaves.
From this point of view, then evolution is developing latent functionality in the human being. Then the focus is what prevents or blocks that evolution and what encourages the new functionality. Does technology improve your ability? If it prevents your inner development, yes.
On a side note, has your mindmatters ended?
While we were working and living with honor, to advance the lives of our families, they were scheming to achieve total control. I wonder if there are any who seek power that fall into the non psycho category.
A test would be useful, but the first question, 'Do you seek power over others?' Would disqualify nearly all of the vermin.
The power of these people should be curtailed, but how?
You have touched many many points here, Harrison.
I hesitate to address them each individually. So many of these assumptions come from the realm of materialistic science. They are based on some VERY basic assumptions about life that could very well be incorrect. If they are incorrect, a complete re-think would be needed. And that's where I stand in this discussion: A complete re-think IS needed.
That said, there are a certain number of workable principles that can be derived from experience without revising our basic assumptions. I have to respect that fact.
It's a little like trying to apply quantum mechanics to something like mechanical engineering. It just isn't really necessary. Yet if you try to apply the gross principles of mechanisms to the world of quantum phenomena, your predictions will be incorrect.
The human psyche resides in the realm of the "quantum world." Not quite literally, but almost. If your try to understand all of life from the point of view of physical systems, you will ultimately fail because life at its highest level in NOT a physical system, it is a causative, creative system.
We have an analogy in modern life, which is engineering. Engineers invent things that - for all intents and purposes - are totally new. Yet they must account for the material environments that their creations exist in. They must respect the "rules of the road" regardless of how innovative their designs are. But who are these engineers, in the context of this analogy? They exist, for all intents and purposes, outside of the systems they design. Their bodies don't but THEY DO. And this is the secret, you could say, to their creative ability.
The designers of living systems existed totally outside of the systems they created. Though many if not all of them today have lost track of the fact that they invented the systems they are now trapped in, the fact that they were the original inventors does give us the hope that the design process may be remembered enough to enable them to free themselves from their invention, should they choose to do so.
Within the context of a living system that has little or no awareness that it was created (and could be un-created, or re-created) then yes, you have what amounts to a slow death spiral. But if the creators of these systems can restore their creative superiority, then the future becomes an open book, perhaps even hopeful.
To be well. No labels, no branding, no judgement, no stigma.
Welness therapy it is then. *rolls eyes*
Harrison- I think a phenomenon of corroboration is occurring. In thought leadership and in journalism, you need independent corroboration on a societal claim to start with three of your peer class. I have known since 2018 a socialist revolutionary tactic is to weaponize the mentally ill; who incidentally also make up a significant portion of US prison populations. We may need to ‘democratize’ and lower the cost of access to Outpatient Therapy Centers to concentrate treatment for Cluster-B disorders with: EFT, EMDR, DBT, vagus nerve stimulation therapies and Stellate Ganglion block to make our society far less evil. We could offer this to prisons as rehabilitation. Beyond, this to recognize reality from irreality demands that we stop validating “the struggle” as real. Sounds cool. Isn’t real.