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There was an interesting interview with Desmet recently on Brett Weinstein's Dark Horse podcast. They disagreed on the reductionist/materialist aspect, but in a productive way. Worth listening to.

One of the things they touched on was precisely the formation of an 'anti-group', and the danger of mass formation happening there, also. The key to avoiding that trap, according to Desmet, is to ensure strong interpersonal bonds in order to provide stability against the personal-group bonds. Horizontal connectivity preventing the purely vertical connectivity that characterizes a ponerpgenic mass, in other words. It seems to me that this contains much of the answer to the key question - how to effectively combat this situation. Simply speaking out calmly and rationally is surely important, but much more important I think is participating in and providing fora for the development of organic societal bonds, since it is the latter that will actually solve the underlying issue that led to mass formation in the first place.

Another thing he touched on, which is very similar to Gurdjieff's concept of conscious suffering, was that by enduring these difficulties and holding to our principles, our souls and even our bodies actually become stronger. Statements like that, along with other remarks eg the assault on crude materialism, make me suspect that Desmet understands far more than he states directly in public.

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Desmet certainly has a lot of worthy things to say. Ultimately, though, he comes down on the side of "there was no conspiracy during Covid to induce fear, which in turn induced mass formation. This fear arose naturally from our own propensity for mechanistic thinking." I firmly believe that was indeed a conspiracy to induce fear, with the probable hope of getting us to world-wide vaccine passports.

Desmet also says things like, "the belief in the human intellect is the basis of totalitarianism." I don't have the page number but trust me, it's there and I can get it. That makes no sense.

When Malone introduced his readers to Chris Langan, I was a bit shocked. The guy is a eugenicist and full of himself and would like to rule the world. He posits this "better world" that's non-rational. Desmet also posits this non-rational "better world" even as he argues that we have to use our reason. Yet Enlightenment reason is the source of our psychological problems. So which is it? To me, something funny is going on with this "better world" talk. Let's just fix the one we have.

That Desmet does, indeed, serve as an apologist for the conspirators-- telling us that they didn't even exist, and to think they did is dangerous-- negates everything he says for me. Why does he do that? Couldn't he simply explain the mechanisms of the psychological effects of fear as it leads to mass formation, and point out how we abandoned "stay calm and carry on" and instead went hysterical? We did that because we were fed 24/7, unrelenting fear porn concerning Covid-19. Desmet could have profitably noted the "single idea" carried to irrational extremes that Arendt explicated, which is what Arendt meant by "ideology"-- literally the logic of a single idea. What was that idea during Covid? It was "stay safe." Desmet missed the boat on that completely. Why? Arendt gave it to him, that idea was there for the taking and explained so much, as a singular focus on it led to irrationality and yes, mass formation. Yet now, when in my state Covid cases and deaths are as high as they were in 2020 (and we are one of the most highly vaccinated) there's virtual silence around "stay safe." And people are back to normal. So we, the people, did not "ask" for it due to our mechanistic thinking, or we'd still be in a state of fear.

I appreciate the author tackling this. And yes, I do get carried away a bit about Desmet.

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