Because the best-liar-wins government system raises the Global South types in the society, Laura. Barely a hundred years, a microsecond in human history, and here they are, uniformly on top everywhere. Needless to say, quite some of their ideas are even more moronic than those of the classic aboriginal chiefs.
Banger, as always, Harrison! I used to simply laugh off the shit-tier scams that Indians I knew would pull and the corresponding naivete of whites. But I never really considered it at scale.
On a somewhat related topic, have you considered somewhat the opposite problem: counter-productive and debilitating conscientiousness. This seems to be a white problem that enables ponerology. Not quite the same as pathological empathy of our women-folk, but instead holding ourselves to impossible standards of behavior while criminals run amok. I'm thinking Tolstoyian Christians, NAP Libertarians, and the like: any conceivable effort placed that inconveniences others is a crime that we cannot commit ourselves, and anybody in our own group that doesn't meet this standard of perfection is anathema.
Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure when I was looking for the most prevalent personality disorders in northern European countries, it was obsessive compulsive PD, or anankastic. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, after I made my previous comment in your article about stereotypes, I learned that "Izzat" describes so much of what I observed. It's also correct that 'honor' or 'face saving' are only approximate translations.
If I tried to jog my memory, I could think of a million examples where I used to live. I remember one time an Indian left his clothes in the dryer, and I pulled them out and put them on top of the machine so I could dry my clothes. I went and told him that I had done this, and explained that he wasn't home so I couldn't tell him at the time. In other words, I'm going out of my way to identify myself as the one who moved his stuff and explain why I had to do it. This is more than you should have to do but I found myself constantly over-functioning to try and manage relations with these Indians.
Anyway, he smiled and said "oh, that's no problem!" and then the next time I went to dry my clothes, days later, I found them in a wet pile on top of an empty dryer.
You couldn't really describe that as saving face, or defending your honor, or even as revenge. There's a pointlessness to Izzat behavior that I think is hard for non-Indians to comprehend.
Brilliant synthesis connecting Lobaczewski's frontal characteropathy framework to macro-scale cultural patterns. The linkage between medical infrastructure quality and downstream moral systems is somethin I hadn't considered in such direct terms. I've seen the izzat dynamic play out in professional environments, where admitting fault bascially became existential rather than practical, and that zero-sum framing makes every interaction weirdly high-stakes. The nutrition and heavy metals angle adds a tangible intervention point beyondthe usual structural reform rhetoric.
Clearly the IQ of the third worlders invading western civilization is lower than the native populations. Yet we have ideologues who continue to insist upon equity. If these people, who tend to have advanced degrees, were to actually venture out into the real world, maybe they would notice how wrong they are. The privileged so called elite know nothing of lived human experience. And many of them are quite insane in their utopian ideas of how it should be.
When immigration was selective, western nations actually got high-quality immigrants, at least in the IQ department (e.g., average IQ of Indians in the U.S. is/was around 100, compared to 75 in India). But immigration became anything but selective years ago...
Different cultures come with lots of different problems.
For example, many years ago I used to work as a mechanic. There was a Filipino guy that worked there doing primarily oil changes.
He often had trouble understanding what we were discussing. But it wasn’t that he couldn’t speak English, it was that he had such a strange understanding of the world. He failed to understand basic concepts, because they were literally above his level of understanding.
He once told me that in his language, there are no words for “could,” “should,” or “would.” So he would rattle off, “How should you, how would you, how could you?!”
It was so bizarre to think that someone really didn’t understand the concept. But that’s how it was with that guy. He was just low IQ. But then, anyone speaking his language (Tagalog) from birth would have the same issue. There are analogous concepts in Tagalog, but they’re not explicit. Everything requires some level of understanding for the implied meaning to make sense, and that might change depending on local dialect.
India is a whole different can of worms. Low IQ and hostile towards anyone from the first world.
Any of the Indian people I’ve worked with were 100% convinced that they “owned the place” -- no matter where they were. Super pretentious and vapid. It’s like they saw incompetence and lack of worth ethic as a virtue. Definitely not someone you would want to hire if you wanted to get anything detail oriented accomplished.
"I am a moral colonialist. I think those who know better can and should exert influence to change worse cultures for the better. "
Are you a parent? After decades of parenting, and humility, I'm convinced that the only way to improve the lives of others is to be an example they can look up to.
But, as a parent I also make sure the electric bill is always paid, doors locked, etc. So, I can see the value of limited interventions related to health and safety. However, it is my sense that the lower IQs are apt to procreate at levels which would shift a nations bell curve in the wrong direction. At which point one might suggest including birth control in the plan, but that gets into the area of taboo eugenics.
Anyway, really appreciated your article. Great writing!
I agree that being an example is the best way, but that sometimes more than that is necessary. Ideally, I think any such “interventions” should be done with surgical precision, though.
A great snapshot of the predicament! Long ago, recognizing the colonizing habits and impacts on others, I recognized that, in the end, these depredations would come full circle to the U.S. -- the erstwhile beneficiaries of those colonial depredations. Lo and behold, the inevitable happened. Now Americans mirror what's taken hold elsewhere. Natal and post-natal impacts of poor parenting also set the stage for susceptibility at older ages, now revealed by predatory social media algorithms, stirring the defective pot.
When I first began noticing the systemic non-Western behavior patterns of a particularly notorious alien group among us, I thought it was something unusual about them. That we were "normal". Now I see that we White Westerners are peculiar and abnormal in our pursuit of "Fairness, justice, trust, empathy, and impartiality".
Do any other people groups share our morality?
Can we co-exist in the same nations with people who express hostile alien biospirits?
Excellent article. The examination of Indian morality brought to mind the origin of the hebrew being the habiru cow cult of the dark continent. Hebrew has many interesting words that don't translate well to other languages. Descriptors that characterize an honest man as nothing but stupid and naive.
Perhaps there is a tension between (1) poverty producing brain-damaged individuals who develop psychopathologies, and (2) absence of poverty failing to select out genetic mutations, leading the society to become more psychopathological as a whole
I don't know how you can get around the latter without eugenics, else the products of (2) will create (1)
That’s a good, concise description of the problem. Lobaczewski advocated for a “eugenic morality” as opposed to what we know as eugenic practices. E.g., excellence needs to be seen as good and worth nurturing, and having children with personality-disordered people needs to be seen as wrong and shameful. Youths need to be raised in an environment that prioritizes selecting decent people as mates.
Also, have you looked into cranial deformation? I suspect this was performed by warrior elites on their own children deliberately in order to turn them into psychopaths.
Personality-disordered people often breed with each other though (I include myself in that bracket) so I don't know see a policy solution there
I think these ideas have to permeate very deeply and widely for people to become more cognisant of the problem's pervasiveness, especially among elites
Very occasionally you luck out with a Salazar but these appear diamonds in a dung-mountain of narcissism
What I find confusing are the anecdotes about honor-morality deeming guilt-morality as weakness. This still implies an ability to identify moral behavior but with an anti-conscience. Lack of moral behavior deriving from low IQ is comprehensible, but the inversion of morality in a durable state is something else.
Hello, great article! A couple of takes, if I may!
° When I stare at Western countries I sometimes fear for the future when I see the analphabetism, overuse of cell phones and reliance on main stream medias & science for shaping one's world view. India would feature blatant pathology, in the open, and we would tend to think that "it's much worse than in the West". Can it be that a framework based on dignity-moral would simply be featuring a more discrete "facade" (in comparison to India), but that, inside, it's that much decayed? Hmmm - if poor countries develop perinatal characteropathies, I would be eager to say "what's the perinatal characteropathy of the West", with a subsequent study of the objective state of affairs.
° India features borderline pathocratic motions - pressure cooker; I don't see any escape from a worsening of the situation there
° Spellbinders may not be a pathological type of person, but may be reffering to the mode of transmission of whichever pathological factor.
Seems to me that L. does not list "spellbinding" in the pathological factors, but that he tends to use it in the context of an humanoïdisation of the word, so "a guy spellbinder", while I would opt for "an effect", basic feature of "evil". So, when spellbinding take splace, it's not exactly related to the pathological factor itself but it's essence, which would be the same all the time. This would meet your idea of "the x signal": some generic electrical impulses & conductivities of "raw evil" ("that, in turns, ...")
I worked with a Vietnamese engineer back in the 90s. If you asked him a question, he would always provide an answer that saved face. "Are you on budget, on schedule etc?" "YES YES YES!!".
I quickly learned that his answers to such questions generally had no relationship to reality, and made appropriate adjustments, but I was always baffled by his behaviour.
Over the years I subsequently had to deal with Indians, Asians, Afrucans, Arabs and others, and came to similar conclusions.
In engineering, at least, only trust white people to be honest with you, and often not even them.
Hmmm... why is it that the LEADERS in the Western world seem to have the morality of the 'Global South'???
Because the best-liar-wins government system raises the Global South types in the society, Laura. Barely a hundred years, a microsecond in human history, and here they are, uniformly on top everywhere. Needless to say, quite some of their ideas are even more moronic than those of the classic aboriginal chiefs.
Yup. But it IS interesting that the psychopaths at the top act like the 'Global South types'... kinda lends validity of the thesis of this article.
Banger, as always, Harrison! I used to simply laugh off the shit-tier scams that Indians I knew would pull and the corresponding naivete of whites. But I never really considered it at scale.
On a somewhat related topic, have you considered somewhat the opposite problem: counter-productive and debilitating conscientiousness. This seems to be a white problem that enables ponerology. Not quite the same as pathological empathy of our women-folk, but instead holding ourselves to impossible standards of behavior while criminals run amok. I'm thinking Tolstoyian Christians, NAP Libertarians, and the like: any conceivable effort placed that inconveniences others is a crime that we cannot commit ourselves, and anybody in our own group that doesn't meet this standard of perfection is anathema.
Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure when I was looking for the most prevalent personality disorders in northern European countries, it was obsessive compulsive PD, or anankastic. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, after I made my previous comment in your article about stereotypes, I learned that "Izzat" describes so much of what I observed. It's also correct that 'honor' or 'face saving' are only approximate translations.
If I tried to jog my memory, I could think of a million examples where I used to live. I remember one time an Indian left his clothes in the dryer, and I pulled them out and put them on top of the machine so I could dry my clothes. I went and told him that I had done this, and explained that he wasn't home so I couldn't tell him at the time. In other words, I'm going out of my way to identify myself as the one who moved his stuff and explain why I had to do it. This is more than you should have to do but I found myself constantly over-functioning to try and manage relations with these Indians.
Anyway, he smiled and said "oh, that's no problem!" and then the next time I went to dry my clothes, days later, I found them in a wet pile on top of an empty dryer.
You couldn't really describe that as saving face, or defending your honor, or even as revenge. There's a pointlessness to Izzat behavior that I think is hard for non-Indians to comprehend.
Brilliant synthesis connecting Lobaczewski's frontal characteropathy framework to macro-scale cultural patterns. The linkage between medical infrastructure quality and downstream moral systems is somethin I hadn't considered in such direct terms. I've seen the izzat dynamic play out in professional environments, where admitting fault bascially became existential rather than practical, and that zero-sum framing makes every interaction weirdly high-stakes. The nutrition and heavy metals angle adds a tangible intervention point beyondthe usual structural reform rhetoric.
Clearly the IQ of the third worlders invading western civilization is lower than the native populations. Yet we have ideologues who continue to insist upon equity. If these people, who tend to have advanced degrees, were to actually venture out into the real world, maybe they would notice how wrong they are. The privileged so called elite know nothing of lived human experience. And many of them are quite insane in their utopian ideas of how it should be.
When immigration was selective, western nations actually got high-quality immigrants, at least in the IQ department (e.g., average IQ of Indians in the U.S. is/was around 100, compared to 75 in India). But immigration became anything but selective years ago...
We'll get nowhere until the stigma surrounding eugenics goes away.
This is a grim picture of the IQ needed on a very big scale to overcome the type of slavery planned (I don't think totally inevitable) for humanity.
Different cultures come with lots of different problems.
For example, many years ago I used to work as a mechanic. There was a Filipino guy that worked there doing primarily oil changes.
He often had trouble understanding what we were discussing. But it wasn’t that he couldn’t speak English, it was that he had such a strange understanding of the world. He failed to understand basic concepts, because they were literally above his level of understanding.
He once told me that in his language, there are no words for “could,” “should,” or “would.” So he would rattle off, “How should you, how would you, how could you?!”
It was so bizarre to think that someone really didn’t understand the concept. But that’s how it was with that guy. He was just low IQ. But then, anyone speaking his language (Tagalog) from birth would have the same issue. There are analogous concepts in Tagalog, but they’re not explicit. Everything requires some level of understanding for the implied meaning to make sense, and that might change depending on local dialect.
India is a whole different can of worms. Low IQ and hostile towards anyone from the first world.
Any of the Indian people I’ve worked with were 100% convinced that they “owned the place” -- no matter where they were. Super pretentious and vapid. It’s like they saw incompetence and lack of worth ethic as a virtue. Definitely not someone you would want to hire if you wanted to get anything detail oriented accomplished.
"I am a moral colonialist. I think those who know better can and should exert influence to change worse cultures for the better. "
Are you a parent? After decades of parenting, and humility, I'm convinced that the only way to improve the lives of others is to be an example they can look up to.
But, as a parent I also make sure the electric bill is always paid, doors locked, etc. So, I can see the value of limited interventions related to health and safety. However, it is my sense that the lower IQs are apt to procreate at levels which would shift a nations bell curve in the wrong direction. At which point one might suggest including birth control in the plan, but that gets into the area of taboo eugenics.
Anyway, really appreciated your article. Great writing!
I agree that being an example is the best way, but that sometimes more than that is necessary. Ideally, I think any such “interventions” should be done with surgical precision, though.
A great snapshot of the predicament! Long ago, recognizing the colonizing habits and impacts on others, I recognized that, in the end, these depredations would come full circle to the U.S. -- the erstwhile beneficiaries of those colonial depredations. Lo and behold, the inevitable happened. Now Americans mirror what's taken hold elsewhere. Natal and post-natal impacts of poor parenting also set the stage for susceptibility at older ages, now revealed by predatory social media algorithms, stirring the defective pot.
Brilliant! This helps a lot.
When I first began noticing the systemic non-Western behavior patterns of a particularly notorious alien group among us, I thought it was something unusual about them. That we were "normal". Now I see that we White Westerners are peculiar and abnormal in our pursuit of "Fairness, justice, trust, empathy, and impartiality".
Do any other people groups share our morality?
Can we co-exist in the same nations with people who express hostile alien biospirits?
I believe such individuals can be found everywhere. They’re just rarer in some places compared to others.
I also believe such individuals can be found everywhere. You quoted a man with parents raised in India who apparently pursued these virtues.
What I think varies is the prevalence of such individuals among the population of different places. Have you seen the Big Summary Post on the Hajnal Line? https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/
(Reading it makes me wonder whether we might be the result of a selective breeding program.)
Excellent article. The examination of Indian morality brought to mind the origin of the hebrew being the habiru cow cult of the dark continent. Hebrew has many interesting words that don't translate well to other languages. Descriptors that characterize an honest man as nothing but stupid and naive.
Perhaps there is a tension between (1) poverty producing brain-damaged individuals who develop psychopathologies, and (2) absence of poverty failing to select out genetic mutations, leading the society to become more psychopathological as a whole
I don't know how you can get around the latter without eugenics, else the products of (2) will create (1)
That’s a good, concise description of the problem. Lobaczewski advocated for a “eugenic morality” as opposed to what we know as eugenic practices. E.g., excellence needs to be seen as good and worth nurturing, and having children with personality-disordered people needs to be seen as wrong and shameful. Youths need to be raised in an environment that prioritizes selecting decent people as mates.
Also, have you looked into cranial deformation? I suspect this was performed by warrior elites on their own children deliberately in order to turn them into psychopaths.
Personality-disordered people often breed with each other though (I include myself in that bracket) so I don't know see a policy solution there
I think these ideas have to permeate very deeply and widely for people to become more cognisant of the problem's pervasiveness, especially among elites
Very occasionally you luck out with a Salazar but these appear diamonds in a dung-mountain of narcissism
What I find confusing are the anecdotes about honor-morality deeming guilt-morality as weakness. This still implies an ability to identify moral behavior but with an anti-conscience. Lack of moral behavior deriving from low IQ is comprehensible, but the inversion of morality in a durable state is something else.
Hello, great article! A couple of takes, if I may!
° When I stare at Western countries I sometimes fear for the future when I see the analphabetism, overuse of cell phones and reliance on main stream medias & science for shaping one's world view. India would feature blatant pathology, in the open, and we would tend to think that "it's much worse than in the West". Can it be that a framework based on dignity-moral would simply be featuring a more discrete "facade" (in comparison to India), but that, inside, it's that much decayed? Hmmm - if poor countries develop perinatal characteropathies, I would be eager to say "what's the perinatal characteropathy of the West", with a subsequent study of the objective state of affairs.
° India features borderline pathocratic motions - pressure cooker; I don't see any escape from a worsening of the situation there
° Spellbinders may not be a pathological type of person, but may be reffering to the mode of transmission of whichever pathological factor.
Seems to me that L. does not list "spellbinding" in the pathological factors, but that he tends to use it in the context of an humanoïdisation of the word, so "a guy spellbinder", while I would opt for "an effect", basic feature of "evil". So, when spellbinding take splace, it's not exactly related to the pathological factor itself but it's essence, which would be the same all the time. This would meet your idea of "the x signal": some generic electrical impulses & conductivities of "raw evil" ("that, in turns, ...")
° Congrats for the 10000 subscribers!
I worked with a Vietnamese engineer back in the 90s. If you asked him a question, he would always provide an answer that saved face. "Are you on budget, on schedule etc?" "YES YES YES!!".
I quickly learned that his answers to such questions generally had no relationship to reality, and made appropriate adjustments, but I was always baffled by his behaviour.
Over the years I subsequently had to deal with Indians, Asians, Afrucans, Arabs and others, and came to similar conclusions.
In engineering, at least, only trust white people to be honest with you, and often not even them.