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“A person is selected because they have the requisite vulnerability. Not everyone can be prey. They need to attend to their predator, not ignore them. A person living a fulfilled life on their own terms is more difficult to prey upon than a person seeking something the predator can pretend to fill.” (Category 2)
This is perhaps why the tactic known as GREYROCK is very good to have up your sleeve. It means to refuse to rise to the bait. Refuse to become emotional and reactive. Do not let them draw you in to their drama. Respond with utter boredom.
I have heard of cases of this tactic working in Family Courts, when the predator is trying very hard to make his prey appear to be an unreliable emotional wreck. Often through perjury and a litany of lies. The person who is prey generally has huge stakes at risk here -- such as their financial wellbeing....or even worse -- the wellbeing of their children. So they predictably fall apart, and the predator comes off as the cat who got the cream. The predators usually win in these scenarios.
As Ross Rosenberg says...."Observe, don't Absorb". That is your shield here. Do not let them press your buttons, because they are doing it to make you look bad and themselves look good. They want your emotional-wreck reaction.
Two Psychopaths in the regular media news recently -- Alex Murdaugh, the American former lawyer in South Carolina who killed his wife and son.
And the man in France who drugged his wife most nights and then invited strangers in to abuse her. Though they had been married for many years and had three children together.
Fantastic series here Harrison! I've got Mitchell's PhD thesis but it's a hell of a lot to sift through - so very much appreciate you doing this work and bringing it to us with your links to Lobaczewski's work. Brilliant.
"A person living a fulfilled life on their own terms is more difficult to prey upon than a person seeking something the predator can pretend to fill.” (Category 2)
It has been speculated that many young cult recruits were still dealing with dependency needs, which rendered them vulnerable enough for the cult predators to draw them in.
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"Predation is discussed in the data as gaining satisfaction from a ‘cat and mouse’ process with the target/victim, playing with the target/victim in ways that destroy the target’s/victim’s confidence and sense of self."
I have heard this called Psychological torture. Soul murder.
An Australian woman named Melanie Tonia Evans runs a website with actual accounts of this sort of experience. However -- and this is a biggie -- she also says she has a way to move past the effects. Her own experience reminds me of the account of Bill Wilson in the 1930s as to how he suddenly "knew" the 12-Steps which became the basis of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Ms. Evans uses a lot of spiritualism-talk, which may or may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I have heard of her principles before in other venues. She may have something there. The idea is post-traumatic growth. The very hard way.
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"'Unthinkable, immoral act': Woman ordered to pay $375,000 for sabotaging boyfriend's musical career
When McGill student Eric Abramovitz won a scholarship to study with a prestigious L.A. professor, Jennifer Lee began a ‘despicable’ scheme of fake emails to stop him"
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I have noticed that two Cluster-B types will come together if they have been using the same scapegoat. Even if it seems very implausible that they would. Such as the first and second Narcissist wives of a vulnerable husband. Even though the second wife may have "lovingly commiserated" with him over the antics of the first wife. Once the Narc-discard of the husband is arranged by wife #2, she crosses the floor to the enemy side. Then together, they may attack their former husband., and even arrange to alienate from him all of his children at once (from both marriages).
Or two employees in different sections of a company who were strangers to one another, but happen to have been scapegoating the same person at the company....will usually find one another so as to continue a double-barreled attack on that scapegoat. Even though they would not have normally had any kind of relationship with each other.
If you want further examples of the slow and insidious weakening process used on children in Parental Alienation, by one of their own parents -- another Cluster-B set-up -- I recommend the fairly short book entitled "Sabotaged! The weapons of Parental Alienation" by Ryan Thomas (for downloading on his website).
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Oh...I have many years of experience and studying behind me here, Harrison. I eat information on whatever topic interests me, and then I connect the dots quite readily. I could pull out a reference a minute.....but that would be overload for most readers. I am a bit intense.
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"This weakening process can be slow and insidious, and “quite subtle,” such that even the target 'cannot quite identify how or even that they have been treated poorly' (Category 3). "
This is sometimes done through varying degrees of passive-aggressive tactics. Such as presenting the female prey, for instance, with a birthday gift of clothing. And then adding breezily, "I made sure to leave the store receipt in the gift box for an exchange, because I know there are few colours you can wear well." OR, "I left the receipt in the box because once you try it on, if you look like mutton dressed as lamb, you can exchange it." OR "Some women do put on weight as they get older, so I remembered to put the receipt in there ....if you need to exchange it for a larger size."
To a male prey they might say, casually, "Was it your mother's side or your father's side that had the early hair-loss pattern?
To a bride on her wedding day, who had innocently chosen the PPP as her maid of honour without realizing what was up, the PPP would phone on the wedding to say how sorry she was she could not deliver that item she promised, needed for the bridal outfit; slipped her mind to mention it sooner. Oh and btw....she hadn't had time (in 6 months) to have her bridesmaid gown made-up, but not to worry because she probably has something in the back of her closet that would do. Then the PPP would hold up the wedding by arriving late. And tell the bride not to cry at all of this because she would ruin her photos.
Mitchell mentions DF are acting on 'instinct' a few times, these [instincts] are normally considered innate was my understanding, since I read Hare I understood it's still considered a mix of biology and social factors.
While I think of it, there is the "Wetiko" series of books by Paul Levy. I suspect he is talking about Psychopathy, although I have not read these yet.
There is a fair bit of description on the Amazon listings/reviews for the series. See what you think.
Excellent stuff. I'm very much appreciating these posts.
Your articles are so good, Harrison, that I stop at every paragraph or so to think...Ah-h-h, that reminds me. And then I blurt out a comment.
In the next few hours I am sure I will make it to the end!
You deal with this material extremely well, you know. My hat is off to you.
“A person is selected because they have the requisite vulnerability. Not everyone can be prey. They need to attend to their predator, not ignore them. A person living a fulfilled life on their own terms is more difficult to prey upon than a person seeking something the predator can pretend to fill.” (Category 2)
This is perhaps why the tactic known as GREYROCK is very good to have up your sleeve. It means to refuse to rise to the bait. Refuse to become emotional and reactive. Do not let them draw you in to their drama. Respond with utter boredom.
I have heard of cases of this tactic working in Family Courts, when the predator is trying very hard to make his prey appear to be an unreliable emotional wreck. Often through perjury and a litany of lies. The person who is prey generally has huge stakes at risk here -- such as their financial wellbeing....or even worse -- the wellbeing of their children. So they predictably fall apart, and the predator comes off as the cat who got the cream. The predators usually win in these scenarios.
As Ross Rosenberg says...."Observe, don't Absorb". That is your shield here. Do not let them press your buttons, because they are doing it to make you look bad and themselves look good. They want your emotional-wreck reaction.
Instead, be bored.
Two Psychopaths in the regular media news recently -- Alex Murdaugh, the American former lawyer in South Carolina who killed his wife and son.
And the man in France who drugged his wife most nights and then invited strangers in to abuse her. Though they had been married for many years and had three children together.
Fantastic series here Harrison! I've got Mitchell's PhD thesis but it's a hell of a lot to sift through - so very much appreciate you doing this work and bringing it to us with your links to Lobaczewski's work. Brilliant.
"A person living a fulfilled life on their own terms is more difficult to prey upon than a person seeking something the predator can pretend to fill.” (Category 2)
It has been speculated that many young cult recruits were still dealing with dependency needs, which rendered them vulnerable enough for the cult predators to draw them in.
"Predation is discussed in the data as gaining satisfaction from a ‘cat and mouse’ process with the target/victim, playing with the target/victim in ways that destroy the target’s/victim’s confidence and sense of self."
I have heard this called Psychological torture. Soul murder.
An Australian woman named Melanie Tonia Evans runs a website with actual accounts of this sort of experience. However -- and this is a biggie -- she also says she has a way to move past the effects. Her own experience reminds me of the account of Bill Wilson in the 1930s as to how he suddenly "knew" the 12-Steps which became the basis of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Ms. Evans uses a lot of spiritualism-talk, which may or may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I have heard of her principles before in other venues. She may have something there. The idea is post-traumatic growth. The very hard way.
"'Unthinkable, immoral act': Woman ordered to pay $375,000 for sabotaging boyfriend's musical career
When McGill student Eric Abramovitz won a scholarship to study with a prestigious L.A. professor, Jennifer Lee began a ‘despicable’ scheme of fake emails to stop him"
Joseph Brean
National Post Jun 14, 2018
Borderline Personality Disorder (Cluster-B) going on?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/08/08/british-zoologist-prison-rapining-killing-dogs-australia/
Zoologist Adam Britton
Human crocodile, more like it.
Jaysis, he was fucking horses at 13
I have noticed that two Cluster-B types will come together if they have been using the same scapegoat. Even if it seems very implausible that they would. Such as the first and second Narcissist wives of a vulnerable husband. Even though the second wife may have "lovingly commiserated" with him over the antics of the first wife. Once the Narc-discard of the husband is arranged by wife #2, she crosses the floor to the enemy side. Then together, they may attack their former husband., and even arrange to alienate from him all of his children at once (from both marriages).
Or two employees in different sections of a company who were strangers to one another, but happen to have been scapegoating the same person at the company....will usually find one another so as to continue a double-barreled attack on that scapegoat. Even though they would not have normally had any kind of relationship with each other.
If you want further examples of the slow and insidious weakening process used on children in Parental Alienation, by one of their own parents -- another Cluster-B set-up -- I recommend the fairly short book entitled "Sabotaged! The weapons of Parental Alienation" by Ryan Thomas (for downloading on his website).
If you were to make a substack summarizing all these books, I would read it!
Oh...I have many years of experience and studying behind me here, Harrison. I eat information on whatever topic interests me, and then I connect the dots quite readily. I could pull out a reference a minute.....but that would be overload for most readers. I am a bit intense.
If it gets to a publishable point, let me know and we’ll see if I can help.
Like Reeves and Ripley recognised each other in Venice.
"This weakening process can be slow and insidious, and “quite subtle,” such that even the target 'cannot quite identify how or even that they have been treated poorly' (Category 3). "
This is sometimes done through varying degrees of passive-aggressive tactics. Such as presenting the female prey, for instance, with a birthday gift of clothing. And then adding breezily, "I made sure to leave the store receipt in the gift box for an exchange, because I know there are few colours you can wear well." OR, "I left the receipt in the box because once you try it on, if you look like mutton dressed as lamb, you can exchange it." OR "Some women do put on weight as they get older, so I remembered to put the receipt in there ....if you need to exchange it for a larger size."
To a male prey they might say, casually, "Was it your mother's side or your father's side that had the early hair-loss pattern?
To a bride on her wedding day, who had innocently chosen the PPP as her maid of honour without realizing what was up, the PPP would phone on the wedding to say how sorry she was she could not deliver that item she promised, needed for the bridal outfit; slipped her mind to mention it sooner. Oh and btw....she hadn't had time (in 6 months) to have her bridesmaid gown made-up, but not to worry because she probably has something in the back of her closet that would do. Then the PPP would hold up the wedding by arriving late. And tell the bride not to cry at all of this because she would ruin her photos.
These findings correspond with my understanding of this type of personality.
I think they make it obvious why my teacher considers such people so dangerous.
Instincts are biologically hardwired isn't it?
In reference to what?
Mitchell mentions DF are acting on 'instinct' a few times, these [instincts] are normally considered innate was my understanding, since I read Hare I understood it's still considered a mix of biology and social factors.
Yeah, I think a lot of this is hardwired.
While I think of it, there is the "Wetiko" series of books by Paul Levy. I suspect he is talking about Psychopathy, although I have not read these yet.
There is a fair bit of description on the Amazon listings/reviews for the series. See what you think.